Hillary Clinton and her daughter Chelsea have a new campaign to tell the stories of brave women in a new docuseries on Apple TV+ called ‘Gutsy’.
CBS Evening News host Norah O’Donnell asked the Clintons, “How would you describe a brave woman?”
“I think a courageous woman is determined to make the most of her own life,” Hillary replied, “but also to try to use all the skills, talents and perseverance she has to take others along.”
“And you can do it on any field or in any area,” Chelsea added. “And so, whether that’s sports or activism or art, it’s been really important to us that there’s a broad spectrum of women who have been tremendously brave for themselves and for their communities.”
“Do you think people? Like it brave women?” asked O’Donnell.
“I think some people like brave women,” Hillary said. “I think some people are scared and threatened by brave women. I think some are scared off by brave women.”
Click on the video player below to watch a trailer of “Gutsy”:
Women love comedian Amy Schumer, whom they met for tea. Schumer admitted to them, “I’ve been trolling extensively for ten years. You won’t identify with this.”
“No not at all!” replied Hillary.
Schumer described the attitude she faced professionally: “We want this different version of women. We want you to be beautiful and quiet and exuberant.”
“And only a supporting cast member,” Chelsea added.
The series shows the former first lady and first daughter, who was largely shielded from public view, in a new light.
Hillary said: “I’m not from the generation that grew up with rappers – male or female. And Chelsea has been trying to raise both Bill and me for years.”
“It’s an ongoing effort,” Chelsea laughed.
That’s how the former presidential candidate found herself painting with Grammy-winning artist Megan Thee Stallion.
O’Donnell asked, “Have you really listened to her music?”
‘Yes. Yes,” Hillary replied.
Chelsea said, “Ask her, did she really listen to it for the Apple TV+ series?”
‘No. The answer is no. But you did.’
‘Yes. But my mom’s done all her homework, Norah!’
“What did you like about it [Megan]?” asked O’Donnell.
“I thought she didn’t apologize in the way she claimed her sexual being,” Hillary said. “She’s got a stage character. She just brought it out, you know, she kind of opened up on herself.”
“Right,” said Chelsea. “Treat it or ignore me, but don’t trivialize me and don’t patronize me.'”
The series confronts difficult subjects. One episode is entirely devoted to rejecting hate.
O’Donnell said: “I was struck too, Chelsea, when you said you can’t remember a time when hatred and ‘the whispers of violence’ didn’t surround your family.”
“It’s true, Norah. I mean, I remember when I was a little girl in Arkansas and people were yelling hateful things at us, at my parents. I remember in ’92 when my father wanted to be president and someone had a bag tossed with probably red food coloring, but they said, you know, ‘This is an aborted baby’s blood, it should have been you.’ Like, really active hateful rhetoric and actions that permeated life when I was a kid.”
Personal experiences punctuate almost every episode, such as Hillary’s revelation about why she wears pantsuits. “I didn’t know that story!” Chelsea laughed. “It’s by far the greatest revelation I’ve had.”
A state visit to Brazil led to some compromising photos: “I was sitting on a couch,” recalls Hillary, “and the press was let in. There were some that skyrocketed.”
Some of those photos were then used to sell lingerie. “And all of a sudden the White House is warning about these billboards showing me that I’m sitting with, I thought my legs were together, but the way it’s shot, it’s kind of suggestive. And that’s when I started the experience too To get me photographers all the time, I’d be on a stage, I’d climb stairs and they’d be below me.”
“That’s so scary!” said Chelsea.
“I just couldn’t handle it. So I started wearing pants.”
While pantsuits may be synonymous with Hillary Clinton, it’s another decision she’s known for and finds courageous. “The bravest thing I’ve ever done privately was to stay in my marriage,” Hillary said. “It wasn’t easy, and it was something only I could decide. And then, in my public life, running for president. I mean, it was hard. It was really hard! And it was, you know, trying to get on that tightrope without a net, and nobody for me because it hadn’t been done before.”
O’Donnell said, “I think I was surprised that you said staying in your marriage was braver than a presidential election.”
“Well, in terms of my private life, it was really hard. And as you know, everyone had an opinion about it. People I’d never met had very strong opinions about it! And it took a lot of sincere prayer and thoughtfulness and talking to people I completely trusted to really think about because it was all done in public, Norah. So it made it even more painful and difficult. But I have no regrets.”
Having no regrets, for both Hillary and Chelsea Clinton, is another expression of audacity, which they hope has universal appeal.
O’Donnell said, “There seems to be an undercurrent of a message throughout this series that you’re trying to show women, tell women, to be brave, to stand up for yourself.”
“Exactly,” Hillary said.
“And also, Norah, in the hopes that the examples of those women can be inspiring to all who watch,” Chelsea said.
“Men and boys, not just women and girls,” her mother added.
“But I also think so that hopefully people can see a part of their own lives, or their own struggles, their own opportunities in the women’s stories that we share, so that hopefully they can be a little bit closer to the feeling.” Well, I can also be guts.'”
For more information:
- “guts” debuts on Apple TV+ September 9.
Story produced by Kay Lim, Julie Kracov and Julie Morse. Editor: Lauren Barnello.